Discussion:
The Archbishop of Canterbury Accuses the Jews
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Salah Jafar
2006-12-23 11:00:27 UTC
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The Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams wrote that the Christians
were not being persecuted by Muslim governments. But rather, the Zionist and
their allies have for political reason, have intentionally created
hostilities between Christians and Moslems world.

"It's a matter of rising tides of extremism, which governments are as keen
to check as anyone," he said.

Dr Williams also wrote: "The first Christian believers were Arab Middle
Easterners. It's a sobering thought that we might live to see last native
Christian believers in the region."

The archbishop said earlier on his visit that the Israeli-built West Bank
security barrier was a symbol of what is "deeply wrong in the human heart".

Both archbishops said they wanted to highlight how Israel's security
measures were strangling the towns on Christians in Palestine.

They traveled with Bishop Nathan Hovhannisian, of the Armenian Church of
Great Britain, and the Rev David Coffey, of the Free Churches on the
four-day visit to the Holy Land.
patriot
2006-12-23 11:34:57 UTC
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HE IS KNOW AS A CHILD MOLESTER SO HE CAN SUCK MY COCK INSTEAD ONE OF
THE CHILDRENS!
Post by Salah Jafar
The Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams wrote that the Christians
were not being persecuted by Muslim governments. But rather, the Zionist and
their allies have for political reason, have intentionally created
hostilities between Christians and Moslems world.
"It's a matter of rising tides of extremism, which governments are as keen
to check as anyone," he said.
Dr Williams also wrote: "The first Christian believers were Arab Middle
Easterners. It's a sobering thought that we might live to see last native
Christian believers in the region."
The archbishop said earlier on his visit that the Israeli-built West Bank
security barrier was a symbol of what is "deeply wrong in the human heart".
Both archbishops said they wanted to highlight how Israel's security
measures were strangling the towns on Christians in Palestine.
They traveled with Bishop Nathan Hovhannisian, of the Armenian Church of
Great Britain, and the Rev David Coffey, of the Free Churches on the
four-day visit to the Holy Land.
o***@aol.com
2006-12-23 12:04:22 UTC
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Post by patriot
HE IS KNOW AS A CHILD MOLESTER SO HE CAN SUCK MY COCK INSTEAD ONE OF
THE CHILDRENS!
GET LOST JEWISH BOY
Post by Salah Jafar
The Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams wrote that the Christians
were not being persecuted by Muslim governments. But rather, the Zionist and
their allies have for political reason, have intentionally created
hostilities between Christians and Moslems world.
"It's a matter of rising tides of extremism, which governments are as keen
to check as anyone," he said.
Dr Williams also wrote: "The first Christian believers were Arab Middle
Easterners. It's a sobering thought that we might live to see last native
Christian believers in the region."
The archbishop said earlier on his visit that the Israeli-built West Bank
security barrier was a symbol of what is "deeply wrong in the human heart".
Both archbishops said they wanted to highlight how Israel's security
measures were strangling the towns on Christians in Palestine.
They traveled with Bishop Nathan Hovhannisian, of the Armenian Church of
Great Britain, and the Rev David Coffey, of the Free Churches on the
four-day visit to the Holy Land.
Salah Jafar
2006-12-23 13:14:08 UTC
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Can you offer him your asshole instead of your cock. His cock is probably
bigger than yours. so Jewish little boy, I hope you get lubricant for your
asshole this Christmas.

SJ
john
2006-12-23 16:47:39 UTC
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Shut-up bastard! You Jews are well known of stealing non-jews and using
their blood in making holly bread!
Post by patriot
HE IS KNOW AS A CHILD MOLESTER SO HE CAN SUCK MY COCK INSTEAD ONE OF
THE CHILDRENS!
Post by Salah Jafar
The Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams wrote that the Christians
were not being persecuted by Muslim governments. But rather, the Zionist and
their allies have for political reason, have intentionally created
hostilities between Christians and Moslems world.
"It's a matter of rising tides of extremism, which governments are as keen
to check as anyone," he said.
Dr Williams also wrote: "The first Christian believers were Arab Middle
Easterners. It's a sobering thought that we might live to see last native
Christian believers in the region."
The archbishop said earlier on his visit that the Israeli-built West Bank
security barrier was a symbol of what is "deeply wrong in the human heart".
Both archbishops said they wanted to highlight how Israel's security
measures were strangling the towns on Christians in Palestine.
They traveled with Bishop Nathan Hovhannisian, of the Armenian Church of
Great Britain, and the Rev David Coffey, of the Free Churches on the
four-day visit to the Holy Land.
jgarbuz
2006-12-23 17:06:11 UTC
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Post by john
Shut-up bastard! You Jews are well known of stealing non-jews and using
their blood in making holly bread!<
Shut up, you stupid ARab1 You think you can fool everybody by calling
yourself "John?"
The fact that you used the word "holly" instead of holy gives away that
you are an ARab to Israelis like me. WE know exactly how you
mispronounce things, and you write the way you mispronounce :) Dumb
fucking Arab who tries to fool the gullible, like Jimmy Carter for
example :) You can only fool the fools, dopey.
The Re"vvdd
2006-12-23 18:11:47 UTC
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Post by jgarbuz
Post by john
Shut-up bastard! You Jews are well known of stealing non-jews and using
their blood in making holly bread!<
Shut up, you stupid ARab1 You think you can fool everybody by calling
yourself "John?"
The fact that you used the word "holly" instead of holy gives away that
you are an ARab to Israelis like me. WE know exactly how you
mispronounce things, and you write the way you mispronounce :) Dumb
fucking Arab who tries to fool the gullible, like Jimmy Carter for
example :) You can only fool the fools, dopey.
Oh look, another inter-semitic dispute! LOL
Salah Jafar
2006-12-23 18:45:32 UTC
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He Jgarbuz, you English is fucked from the get go. Instead of "Everybody"
maybe the word Everyone could be better choice. Instead of Israelis, maybe
the word Israeli's. Instead of Mispronounce, well, he is not talking to
you, he is writing to your stupid ass. maybe the word grammatical error
could be better choice. You Jews are famous of criticizing everyone writing
except your own. When I was reading Mein Kampf, the translator who happen
to be a fucking dumb Jews, spent 20 pages telling the reader how terrible
the Honorable Adolph Hitler writing is. So this is Jewish Modus Oprandi. In
English the method of Operation.
SJ
jgarbuz
2006-12-23 17:00:08 UTC
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Post by Salah Jafar
The Archbishop of Canterbury Dr Rowan Williams wrote that the Christians
were not being persecuted by Muslim governments. But rather, the Zionist and
their allies have for political reason, have intentionally created
hostilities between Christians and Moslems world.>
"It's a matter of rising tides of extremism, which governments are as keen
to check as anyone," he said.>
Dr Williams also wrote: "The first Christian believers were Arab Middle
Easterners.<
Ignorant as well as stupid. THe first Christians were Jews, not Arabs.
Stupid ass!
Those Jews who became Christians suddenly became Arabs???
Actually, the first Chrisian kingdom was Armenia. Ethiopia was one of
the earliest. Many had been influenced by Jews, but later became
Christians. Nonetheless, their emperor was traditionally called "Lion
of Judah." Most Arabs lived in Arabia, and were pagans, until the
coming of Muhammad in the early 7th century.
Post by Salah Jafar
It's a sobering thought that we might live to see last native
Christian believers in the region."<
Only because Muslims are driving the Christians out. But in Israel,
more churches are being built than in the rest of the Middle East put
together. Under Jewish control, Christians have never been freer.
Post by Salah Jafar
The archbishop said earlier on his visit that the Israeli-built West Bank
security barrier was a symbol of what is "deeply wrong in the human heart".<
What wrong with him is (a) stupidity, and (b) gullibility, to buy the
Arab propaganda hook, line and sinker, just like Jimmy Carter.
Post by Salah Jafar
Both archbishops said they wanted to highlight how Israel's security
measures were strangling the towns on Christians in Palestine.<
It is true, that the Christians living amongst the Muslims are
suffering because Israel has had to cut off the Arab barbarians from
being able to blow up Jews at will by building a wall, and some
Christians are cutoff on the other side to suffer in the midst of the
Muslims. So I'm sorry that Jews are being blamed for wanting to defend
themselves, but that's only normal. Blaming the JEws is always easier
than blaming the Arabs, because the Christians living amongst the
Muslims can't openly tell the truth for fearing what their muslim
neighbors will do to them if they do. So it is always safe to blame the
Jews because the Jews won't kill you for doing so.
Post by Salah Jafar
They traveled with Bishop Nathan Hovhannisian, of the Armenian Church of
Great Britain, and the Rev David Coffey, of the Free Churches on the
four-day visit to the Holy Land.<
So in four days they already learned how to blame the JEws? Well, it
comes naturally to many. Nothing in the world easier than blaming the
JEws for everything. Jews aren't going to burn down your church or
mosque for doing so.
o***@yahoo.com
2006-12-23 18:19:35 UTC
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Israel's thugs sink deeper into the cesspit of defamation, denigration
and denial
by Greg Felton
(Friday December 22 2006)

Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good!

An empire in its death throes is not a pretty sight. The more
desperately its rulers cling to power in the face of impending defeat,
the more they hasten its demise. The more its rulers fight to preserve
their rule, the more the empire is sacrificed to serve selfish,
repressive wants.

By the time Odoacer entered Rome and became the first Germanic king of
Italy in 476, the Roman Empire had long since self-destructed. It had
become exhausted and consumed by repression, bigotry, murder, and class
warfare. When "barbarians" invaded the people had neither the
strength nor the inclination to defend Rome.

One of the worst consequences of imperial desperation was the renewal
of the state's "war on heresy" in 407. Dissent was declared to be
a public crime, for pagans as well as Christians, because any hint of
religious or intellectual freedom was a threat to the authority and
power base of the Church and emperor. Thus the empire descended into
terrorism, the price for which was social cohesion and loyalty to the
empire.

As Michael Grant wrote in The Fall of The Roman Empire: "This active
systematic intolerance was something hitherto unknown in the
Mediterranean world. It reflected the growth of dogma, which in turn
reflected a decline in rational intellectual activity."

Such systematic intolerance is evident again in the Mediterranean world
as the zionist empire goes through its own death throes. The virtuous,
sympathetic illusions that have traditionally sustained Israel in the
Western mind are no longer defensible. Despite the servility of North
America's press and governments, the truth of Israeli atrocities is
gaining a wider and wider audience.

Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good! This modern "war on heresy" applies to Jews and non-Jews
alike.

On Oct. 4, 2006, New York University historian Tony Judt, who is
Jewish, was due to give a talk at the Polish consulate on the stifling
effect of the Israel Lobby, yet the American Jewish Congress and the
Anti-Defamation League -Arab Defamation League would be more
accurate-forced the consulate to rescind the invitation.

This censoring of Judtwas gratuitous because the substance of his talk,
the previously published essay "The Israel Lobby" by American
academics Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, was already in the public
domain. Not satisfied with sabotaging the event, though, The Lobby's
David Frum felt the need to smear Judt for pursuing "genocide
liberalism"-like "anti-Semitism," a nonsense term of abuse.

A similar fate befell Baroness Jennifer Tonge, a Liberal Democrat in
Great Britain's House of Lords. Speaking at Edinburgh University, she
remarked: "The pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the western
world, its financial grips. I think they've probably got a grip on
our party."

Like Judt, she deemed her remarks unremarkable because they had already
been made by Walt and Mearsheimer.

The intelligent thing for The Lobby to do would have been to ignore her
comments, but no. An all-party group of Lords accused Tonge of
"evok[ing] a classic anti-Jewish conspiracy theory" that was
symptomatic of the rise of anti-Semitism in the U.K.

The knee-jerk recklessness of this charge is obvious, and served only
prove Tonge's thesis that The Lobby manipulates British politics. As
Tonge rightly said in her defence: "[My comments] were about the
Israeli lobby in politics. They were a big distance from being about
Jewishness or anti-Semitism."

UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour also paid the price
for speaking honestly about the cause of suffering in Palestine. On
Nov. 29, 2006, she visited the Gaza Strip in the wake of Israel's
massacre of Beit Hanoun and charged Israel with committing massive
human rights violations: Agence France-Presse:

"The human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory is
grave and worsening, within a general climate of impunity. Overall I
was struck throughout my visit by the sense of vulnerability and
abandonment that was expressed to me by virtually all the civilians
that I met, both in Israel and in the occupied Palestinian
territories."*

It's hard to argue with first-hand evidence, but that didn't stop
B'nai Brith Canada's Vice President Frank Dimant from shooting his
mouth off, and shooting The Lobby in the foot:"[This was] yet another
attempt by the UN body to delegitimize the Jewish state."

Note the implication in this statement. Dimant has directly equated
Israel's legitimacy with the commission of atrocities!

However self-destructive the Lobby's tactics have been in these three
cases, they cannot match the hysterical depravity that has greeted
Jimmy Carter because of his new book Palestine-Peace not Apartheid.

First, here's how Carter describes his book: "The ultimate purpose
of my book is to present facts about the Middle East that are largely
unknown in the U.S., to precipitate discussion and to help restart
peace talks that can lead to permanent peace for Israel and its
neighbours. Another hope is that Jews and other Americans who share
this goal might be motivated to express their views, even publicly, and
perhaps in concert...."

He goes on to say: "The book describes the abominable oppression and
persecution in the occupied Palestinian territories with a rigid system
of required passes and strict segregation between Palestine's
citizens and Jewish settlers in the West Bank.... In many ways, this is
more oppressive than what blacks lived under in South Africa during
apartheid. I have made it clear that the motivation is not racism but
the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize choice
sites in Palestine, and then to forcefully suppress any objections from
the displaced citizens.

Carter's compassion is genuine and the facts of Israeli apartheid are
beyond doubt. Even neo-Nazi Avigdor Lieberman said Arabs and Jews
cannot live together and that all Palestinians have to be removed. Yet
The Lobby has seen to it that Carter has been marginalized and his
views rubbished:

"I have seen few news stories in major newspapers about what I have
written. Book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly
by representatives of Jewish organizations who would be unlikely to
visit the occupied territories, and their primary criticism is that the
book is anti-Israel."

The most ignorant and incompetent of these came from David Horowitz,
who writes for a right-wing website. He saw fit to libel Carter as a
Jew-hater, genocide enabler and a liar. Throughout his tirade, Horowitz
collectively libeled Palestinians as racists and Jew haters, but saw
nothing wrong with condemning Carter for having committed a "blood
libel" on Jews.

Horowitz's screed defies analysis because it is devoid of intellect.
It is so brazenly, even proudly, dishonest that destroys his own
credibility and ennobles Carter. Horowitz actually said: "[It] is a
preposterous lie to say that the Palestinians had their own land and
that it was occupied by the Jews," as if he thought nobody had read
Moshe Dayan's infamous remark!:

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you
because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not
exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the
place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in
the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal
al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab population."

Despite the libels and misrepresentations, Carter has reported brisk
sales of his book, selling 1,000 copies at each of five appearances,
which means that The Lobby has screeched itself into absurdity trying
to prop up an empire that has no legitimacy and no future.

I can understand The Lobby wanting to censor uncomfortable truths-the
Church has been doing it for centuries-but to sink to abject
dishonesty and character assassination, in the absence of anything
else, cannot possibly help it manufacture consent for Israel.
Intellectual bankruptcy and panic have overtaken The Lobby, and the
zionist empire is not long for this world. It is not worth saving.
zr
2006-12-23 19:05:07 UTC
Permalink
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Post by o***@yahoo.com
Israel's thugs sink deeper into the cesspit of defamation, denigration
and denial
by Greg Felton
(Friday December 22 2006)
Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good!
An empire in its death throes is not a pretty sight. The more
desperately its rulers cling to power in the face of impending defeat,
the more they hasten its demise. The more its rulers fight to preserve
their rule, the more the empire is sacrificed to serve selfish,
repressive wants.
By the time Odoacer entered Rome and became the first Germanic king of
Italy in 476, the Roman Empire had long since self-destructed. It had
become exhausted and consumed by repression, bigotry, murder, and class
warfare. When "barbarians" invaded the people had neither the
strength nor the inclination to defend Rome.
One of the worst consequences of imperial desperation was the renewal
of the state's "war on heresy" in 407. Dissent was declared to be
a public crime, for pagans as well as Christians, because any hint of
religious or intellectual freedom was a threat to the authority and
power base of the Church and emperor. Thus the empire descended into
terrorism, the price for which was social cohesion and loyalty to the
empire.
As Michael Grant wrote in The Fall of The Roman Empire: "This active
systematic intolerance was something hitherto unknown in the
Mediterranean world. It reflected the growth of dogma, which in turn
reflected a decline in rational intellectual activity."
Such systematic intolerance is evident again in the Mediterranean world
as the zionist empire goes through its own death throes. The virtuous,
sympathetic illusions that have traditionally sustained Israel in the
Western mind are no longer defensible. Despite the servility of North
America's press and governments, the truth of Israeli atrocities is
gaining a wider and wider audience.
Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good! This modern "war on heresy" applies to Jews and non-Jews
alike.
On Oct. 4, 2006, New York University historian Tony Judt, who is
Jewish, was due to give a talk at the Polish consulate on the stifling
effect of the Israel Lobby, yet the American Jewish Congress and the
Anti-Defamation League -Arab Defamation League would be more
accurate-forced the consulate to rescind the invitation.
This censoring of Judtwas gratuitous because the substance of his talk,
the previously published essay "The Israel Lobby" by American
academics Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, was already in the public
domain. Not satisfied with sabotaging the event, though, The Lobby's
David Frum felt the need to smear Judt for pursuing "genocide
liberalism"-like "anti-Semitism," a nonsense term of abuse.
A similar fate befell Baroness Jennifer Tonge, a Liberal Democrat in
Great Britain's House of Lords. Speaking at Edinburgh University, she
remarked: "The pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the western
world, its financial grips. I think they've probably got a grip on
our party."
Like Judt, she deemed her remarks unremarkable because they had already
been made by Walt and Mearsheimer.
The intelligent thing for The Lobby to do would have been to ignore her
comments, but no. An all-party group of Lords accused Tonge of
"evok[ing] a classic anti-Jewish conspiracy theory" that was
symptomatic of the rise of anti-Semitism in the U.K.
The knee-jerk recklessness of this charge is obvious, and served only
prove Tonge's thesis that The Lobby manipulates British politics. As
Tonge rightly said in her defence: "[My comments] were about the
Israeli lobby in politics. They were a big distance from being about
Jewishness or anti-Semitism."
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour also paid the price
for speaking honestly about the cause of suffering in Palestine. On
Nov. 29, 2006, she visited the Gaza Strip in the wake of Israel's
massacre of Beit Hanoun and charged Israel with committing massive
"The human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory is
grave and worsening, within a general climate of impunity. Overall I
was struck throughout my visit by the sense of vulnerability and
abandonment that was expressed to me by virtually all the civilians
that I met, both in Israel and in the occupied Palestinian
territories."*
It's hard to argue with first-hand evidence, but that didn't stop
B'nai Brith Canada's Vice President Frank Dimant from shooting his
mouth off, and shooting The Lobby in the foot:"[This was] yet another
attempt by the UN body to delegitimize the Jewish state."
Note the implication in this statement. Dimant has directly equated
Israel's legitimacy with the commission of atrocities!
However self-destructive the Lobby's tactics have been in these three
cases, they cannot match the hysterical depravity that has greeted
Jimmy Carter because of his new book Palestine-Peace not Apartheid.
First, here's how Carter describes his book: "The ultimate purpose
of my book is to present facts about the Middle East that are largely
unknown in the U.S., to precipitate discussion and to help restart
peace talks that can lead to permanent peace for Israel and its
neighbours. Another hope is that Jews and other Americans who share
this goal might be motivated to express their views, even publicly, and
perhaps in concert...."
He goes on to say: "The book describes the abominable oppression and
persecution in the occupied Palestinian territories with a rigid system
of required passes and strict segregation between Palestine's
citizens and Jewish settlers in the West Bank.... In many ways, this is
more oppressive than what blacks lived under in South Africa during
apartheid. I have made it clear that the motivation is not racism but
the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize choice
sites in Palestine, and then to forcefully suppress any objections from
the displaced citizens.
Carter's compassion is genuine and the facts of Israeli apartheid are
beyond doubt. Even neo-Nazi Avigdor Lieberman said Arabs and Jews
cannot live together and that all Palestinians have to be removed. Yet
The Lobby has seen to it that Carter has been marginalized and his
"I have seen few news stories in major newspapers about what I have
written. Book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly
by representatives of Jewish organizations who would be unlikely to
visit the occupied territories, and their primary criticism is that the
book is anti-Israel."
The most ignorant and incompetent of these came from David Horowitz,
who writes for a right-wing website. He saw fit to libel Carter as a
Jew-hater, genocide enabler and a liar. Throughout his tirade, Horowitz
collectively libeled Palestinians as racists and Jew haters, but saw
nothing wrong with condemning Carter for having committed a "blood
libel" on Jews.
Horowitz's screed defies analysis because it is devoid of intellect.
It is so brazenly, even proudly, dishonest that destroys his own
credibility and ennobles Carter. Horowitz actually said: "[It] is a
preposterous lie to say that the Palestinians had their own land and
that it was occupied by the Jews," as if he thought nobody had read
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you
because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not
exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the
place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in
the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal
al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab population."
Despite the libels and misrepresentations, Carter has reported brisk
sales of his book, selling 1,000 copies at each of five appearances,
which means that The Lobby has screeched itself into absurdity trying
to prop up an empire that has no legitimacy and no future.
I can understand The Lobby wanting to censor uncomfortable truths-the
Church has been doing it for centuries-but to sink to abject
dishonesty and character assassination, in the absence of anything
else, cannot possibly help it manufacture consent for Israel.
Intellectual bankruptcy and panic have overtaken The Lobby, and the
zionist empire is not long for this world. It is not worth saving.
aubiskandr
2006-12-25 06:28:05 UTC
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Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Post by o***@yahoo.com
Israel's thugs sink deeper into the cesspit of defamation, denigration
and denial
by Greg Felton
(Friday December 22 2006)
Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good!
An empire in its death throes is not a pretty sight. The more
desperately its rulers cling to power in the face of impending defeat,
the more they hasten its demise. The more its rulers fight to preserve
their rule, the more the empire is sacrificed to serve selfish,
repressive wants.
By the time Odoacer entered Rome and became the first Germanic king of
Italy in 476, the Roman Empire had long since self-destructed. It had
become exhausted and consumed by repression, bigotry, murder, and class
warfare. When "barbarians" invaded the people had neither the
strength nor the inclination to defend Rome.
One of the worst consequences of imperial desperation was the renewal
of the state's "war on heresy" in 407. Dissent was declared to be
a public crime, for pagans as well as Christians, because any hint of
religious or intellectual freedom was a threat to the authority and
power base of the Church and emperor. Thus the empire descended into
terrorism, the price for which was social cohesion and loyalty to the
empire.
As Michael Grant wrote in The Fall of The Roman Empire: "This active
systematic intolerance was something hitherto unknown in the
Mediterranean world. It reflected the growth of dogma, which in turn
reflected a decline in rational intellectual activity."
Such systematic intolerance is evident again in the Mediterranean world
as the zionist empire goes through its own death throes. The virtuous,
sympathetic illusions that have traditionally sustained Israel in the
Western mind are no longer defensible. Despite the servility of North
America's press and governments, the truth of Israeli atrocities is
gaining a wider and wider audience.
Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good! This modern "war on heresy" applies to Jews and non-Jews
alike.
On Oct. 4, 2006, New York University historian Tony Judt, who is
Jewish, was due to give a talk at the Polish consulate on the stifling
effect of the Israel Lobby, yet the American Jewish Congress and the
Anti-Defamation League -Arab Defamation League would be more
accurate-forced the consulate to rescind the invitation.
This censoring of Judtwas gratuitous because the substance of his talk,
the previously published essay "The Israel Lobby" by American
academics Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, was already in the public
domain. Not satisfied with sabotaging the event, though, The Lobby's
David Frum felt the need to smear Judt for pursuing "genocide
liberalism"-like "anti-Semitism," a nonsense term of abuse.
A similar fate befell Baroness Jennifer Tonge, a Liberal Democrat in
Great Britain's House of Lords. Speaking at Edinburgh University, she
remarked: "The pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the western
world, its financial grips. I think they've probably got a grip on
our party."
Like Judt, she deemed her remarks unremarkable because they had already
been made by Walt and Mearsheimer.
The intelligent thing for The Lobby to do would have been to ignore her
comments, but no. An all-party group of Lords accused Tonge of
"evok[ing] a classic anti-Jewish conspiracy theory" that was
symptomatic of the rise of anti-Semitism in the U.K.
The knee-jerk recklessness of this charge is obvious, and served only
prove Tonge's thesis that The Lobby manipulates British politics. As
Tonge rightly said in her defence: "[My comments] were about the
Israeli lobby in politics. They were a big distance from being about
Jewishness or anti-Semitism."
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour also paid the price
for speaking honestly about the cause of suffering in Palestine. On
Nov. 29, 2006, she visited the Gaza Strip in the wake of Israel's
massacre of Beit Hanoun and charged Israel with committing massive
"The human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory is
grave and worsening, within a general climate of impunity. Overall I
was struck throughout my visit by the sense of vulnerability and
abandonment that was expressed to me by virtually all the civilians
that I met, both in Israel and in the occupied Palestinian
territories."*
It's hard to argue with first-hand evidence, but that didn't stop
B'nai Brith Canada's Vice President Frank Dimant from shooting his
mouth off, and shooting The Lobby in the foot:"[This was] yet another
attempt by the UN body to delegitimize the Jewish state."
Note the implication in this statement. Dimant has directly equated
Israel's legitimacy with the commission of atrocities!
However self-destructive the Lobby's tactics have been in these three
cases, they cannot match the hysterical depravity that has greeted
Jimmy Carter because of his new book Palestine-Peace not Apartheid.
First, here's how Carter describes his book: "The ultimate purpose
of my book is to present facts about the Middle East that are largely
unknown in the U.S., to precipitate discussion and to help restart
peace talks that can lead to permanent peace for Israel and its
neighbours. Another hope is that Jews and other Americans who share
this goal might be motivated to express their views, even publicly, and
perhaps in concert...."
He goes on to say: "The book describes the abominable oppression and
persecution in the occupied Palestinian territories with a rigid system
of required passes and strict segregation between Palestine's
citizens and Jewish settlers in the West Bank.... In many ways, this is
more oppressive than what blacks lived under in South Africa during
apartheid. I have made it clear that the motivation is not racism but
the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize choice
sites in Palestine, and then to forcefully suppress any objections from
the displaced citizens.
Carter's compassion is genuine and the facts of Israeli apartheid are
beyond doubt. Even neo-Nazi Avigdor Lieberman said Arabs and Jews
cannot live together and that all Palestinians have to be removed. Yet
The Lobby has seen to it that Carter has been marginalized and his
"I have seen few news stories in major newspapers about what I have
written. Book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly
by representatives of Jewish organizations who would be unlikely to
visit the occupied territories, and their primary criticism is that the
book is anti-Israel."
The most ignorant and incompetent of these came from David Horowitz,
who writes for a right-wing website. He saw fit to libel Carter as a
Jew-hater, genocide enabler and a liar. Throughout his tirade, Horowitz
collectively libeled Palestinians as racists and Jew haters, but saw
nothing wrong with condemning Carter for having committed a "blood
libel" on Jews.
Horowitz's screed defies analysis because it is devoid of intellect.
It is so brazenly, even proudly, dishonest that destroys his own
credibility and ennobles Carter. Horowitz actually said: "[It] is a
preposterous lie to say that the Palestinians had their own land and
that it was occupied by the Jews," as if he thought nobody had read
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you
because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not
exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the
place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in
the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal
al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab population."
Despite the libels and misrepresentations, Carter has reported brisk
sales of his book, selling 1,000 copies at each of five appearances,
which means that The Lobby has screeched itself into absurdity trying
to prop up an empire that has no legitimacy and no future.
I can understand The Lobby wanting to censor uncomfortable truths-the
Church has been doing it for centuries-but to sink to abject
dishonesty and character assassination, in the absence of anything
else, cannot possibly help it manufacture consent for Israel.
Intellectual bankruptcy and panic have overtaken The Lobby, and the
zionist empire is not long for this world. It is not worth saving.
d***@gmail.com
2006-12-25 08:37:19 UTC
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Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Sobriety, Greg-gory. You should try it.
Post by aubiskandr
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Is that why you live in a trailer park in Canada, Greg-gory?
Post by aubiskandr
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
You're lying again, Greg-gory.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Muslim tyranny is the main reason Christians in the Middle East are
fleeing Muslim-ruled territories.

Deborah
d***@gmail.com
2006-12-25 08:37:32 UTC
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Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Sobriety, Greg-gory. You should try it.
Post by aubiskandr
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Is that why you live in a trailer park in Canada, Greg-gory?
Post by aubiskandr
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
You're lying again, Greg-gory.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Muslim tyranny is the main reason Christians in the Middle East are
fleeing Muslim-ruled territories.

Deborah
DoD
2006-12-25 08:46:54 UTC
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Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Sobriety, Greg-gory. You should try it.
Post by aubiskandr
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Is that why you live in a trailer park in Canada, Greg-gory?
Post by aubiskandr
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
You're lying again, Greg-gory.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Muslim tyranny is the main reason Christians in the Middle East are
fleeing Muslim-ruled territories.
And people will keep their eyes closed to that fact.... Such a sad state of
affairs.... If people would just open their eyes.... Too many people are
ignorant on these things...
Benja'min
2006-12-25 09:17:18 UTC
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Post by DoD
Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Sobriety, Greg-gory. You should try it.
Post by aubiskandr
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Is that why you live in a trailer park in Canada, Greg-gory?
Post by aubiskandr
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
You're lying again, Greg-gory.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Muslim tyranny is the main reason Christians in the Middle East are
fleeing Muslim-ruled territories.
And people will keep their eyes closed to that fact.... Such a sad state
of affairs.... If people would just open their eyes.... Too many people
are ignorant on these things...
No, dopey. It's because the yids have turned the ME into a charnel house.
That is the reason Christians, Muslims and yids are getting out.
DoD
2006-12-25 09:27:49 UTC
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Post by Benja'min
Post by DoD
Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Sobriety, Greg-gory. You should try it.
Post by aubiskandr
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Is that why you live in a trailer park in Canada, Greg-gory?
Post by aubiskandr
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
You're lying again, Greg-gory.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Muslim tyranny is the main reason Christians in the Middle East are
fleeing Muslim-ruled territories.
And people will keep their eyes closed to that fact.... Such a sad state
of affairs.... If people would just open their eyes.... Too many people
are ignorant on these things...
No, dopey.
Eat shit and die, you dopey prick....
Benja'min
2006-12-25 11:24:13 UTC
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Post by DoD
Post by Benja'min
Post by DoD
Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Sobriety, Greg-gory. You should try it.
Post by aubiskandr
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Is that why you live in a trailer park in Canada, Greg-gory?
Post by aubiskandr
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
You're lying again, Greg-gory.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Muslim tyranny is the main reason Christians in the Middle East are
fleeing Muslim-ruled territories.
And people will keep their eyes closed to that fact.... Such a sad state
of affairs.... If people would just open their eyes.... Too many people
are ignorant on these things...
No, dopey.
Eat shit and die, you dopey prick....
You snip, I recover. You're a jacobsOn clone you little turd.

No, dopey. It's because the yids have turned the ME into a charnel house.
That is the reason Christians, Muslims and yids are getting out.
Ron Jacobson
2006-12-25 17:32:19 UTC
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(snip some drivel by "Benja'min <***@beforead.cam>", aka
"Ben Cramer")

"Ben Cramer" admits that he's a troll:

"I'm not here to rebut anything or anyone, cuntface. I'm here
to antagonise and keep you occupied." -- "Ben Cramer",
Message-ID: <dv0e2v$l5a$***@otis.netspace.net.au>.

RJ.
d***@gmail.com
2006-12-25 09:22:47 UTC
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Post by DoD
Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Sobriety, Greg-gory. You should try it.
Post by aubiskandr
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Is that why you live in a trailer park in Canada, Greg-gory?
Post by aubiskandr
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
You're lying again, Greg-gory.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Muslim tyranny is the main reason Christians in the Middle East are
fleeing Muslim-ruled territories.
And people will keep their eyes closed to that fact.... Such a sad state of
affairs.... If people would just open their eyes.... Too many people are
ignorant on these things...
They are blinded by their hatred of Jews. They should be given a one
way ticket to Riyadh, and enough time there to meditate on it.

Deborah
DoD
2006-12-25 09:29:25 UTC
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Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by DoD
Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Sobriety, Greg-gory. You should try it.
Post by aubiskandr
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Is that why you live in a trailer park in Canada, Greg-gory?
Post by aubiskandr
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
You're lying again, Greg-gory.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction,
any
sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Muslim tyranny is the main reason Christians in the Middle East are
fleeing Muslim-ruled territories.
And people will keep their eyes closed to that fact.... Such a sad state of
affairs.... If people would just open their eyes.... Too many people are
ignorant on these things...
They are blinded by their hatred of Jews.
That is obvious...

They should be given a one
Post by d***@gmail.com
way ticket to Riyadh, and enough time there to meditate on it.
Desert life does a number on people... It gave me a perspective that I would
have never had known...
d***@yahoo.com
2006-12-25 10:57:52 UTC
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Post by DoD
Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by DoD
Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Sobriety, Greg-gory. You should try it.
Post by aubiskandr
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Is that why you live in a trailer park in Canada, Greg-gory?
Post by aubiskandr
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
You're lying again, Greg-gory.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction,
any
sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Muslim tyranny is the main reason Christians in the Middle East are
fleeing Muslim-ruled territories.
And people will keep their eyes closed to that fact.... Such a sad state of
affairs.... If people would just open their eyes.... Too many people are
ignorant on these things...
They are blinded by their hatred of Jews.
That is obvious...
They should be given a one
Post by d***@gmail.com
way ticket to Riyadh, and enough time there to meditate on it.
Desert life does a number on people... It gave me a perspective that I would
have never had known...
The desert has a way of doing that to people. Think what it must have
been like way back when.

Deborah
Benja'min
2006-12-25 11:23:19 UTC
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Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by DoD
Post by d***@gmail.com
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Sobriety, Greg-gory. You should try it.
Post by aubiskandr
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Is that why you live in a trailer park in Canada, Greg-gory?
Post by aubiskandr
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
You're lying again, Greg-gory.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction,
any
sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Muslim tyranny is the main reason Christians in the Middle East are
fleeing Muslim-ruled territories.
And people will keep their eyes closed to that fact.... Such a sad state of
affairs.... If people would just open their eyes.... Too many people are
ignorant on these things...
They are blinded by their hatred of Jews. They should be given a one
way ticket to Riyadh, and enough time there to meditate on it.
Piss orf, slime

No, dopey. It's because the yids have turned the ME into a charnel house.
That is the reason Christians, Muslims and yids are getting out.
Sheldon Liberman
2006-12-25 15:41:20 UTC
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Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
What brings you back here, Fool-ton? Did someone finally explain to you
that more people read your opinions in the newsgroup than in the
Canadian Arab News? Or are you so used to pain from having your assed
kicked that you simply can't live without it?
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Post by o***@yahoo.com
Israel's thugs sink deeper into the cesspit of defamation, denigration
and denial
by Greg Felton
(Friday December 22 2006)
Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good!
An empire in its death throes is not a pretty sight. The more
desperately its rulers cling to power in the face of impending defeat,
the more they hasten its demise. The more its rulers fight to preserve
their rule, the more the empire is sacrificed to serve selfish,
repressive wants.
By the time Odoacer entered Rome and became the first Germanic king of
Italy in 476, the Roman Empire had long since self-destructed. It had
become exhausted and consumed by repression, bigotry, murder, and class
warfare. When "barbarians" invaded the people had neither the
strength nor the inclination to defend Rome.
One of the worst consequences of imperial desperation was the renewal
of the state's "war on heresy" in 407. Dissent was declared to be
a public crime, for pagans as well as Christians, because any hint of
religious or intellectual freedom was a threat to the authority and
power base of the Church and emperor. Thus the empire descended into
terrorism, the price for which was social cohesion and loyalty to the
empire.
As Michael Grant wrote in The Fall of The Roman Empire: "This active
systematic intolerance was something hitherto unknown in the
Mediterranean world. It reflected the growth of dogma, which in turn
reflected a decline in rational intellectual activity."
Such systematic intolerance is evident again in the Mediterranean world
as the zionist empire goes through its own death throes. The virtuous,
sympathetic illusions that have traditionally sustained Israel in the
Western mind are no longer defensible. Despite the servility of North
America's press and governments, the truth of Israeli atrocities is
gaining a wider and wider audience.
Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good! This modern "war on heresy" applies to Jews and non-Jews
alike.
On Oct. 4, 2006, New York University historian Tony Judt, who is
Jewish, was due to give a talk at the Polish consulate on the stifling
effect of the Israel Lobby, yet the American Jewish Congress and the
Anti-Defamation League -Arab Defamation League would be more
accurate-forced the consulate to rescind the invitation.
This censoring of Judtwas gratuitous because the substance of his talk,
the previously published essay "The Israel Lobby" by American
academics Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, was already in the public
domain. Not satisfied with sabotaging the event, though, The Lobby's
David Frum felt the need to smear Judt for pursuing "genocide
liberalism"-like "anti-Semitism," a nonsense term of abuse.
A similar fate befell Baroness Jennifer Tonge, a Liberal Democrat in
Great Britain's House of Lords. Speaking at Edinburgh University, she
remarked: "The pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the western
world, its financial grips. I think they've probably got a grip on
our party."
Like Judt, she deemed her remarks unremarkable because they had already
been made by Walt and Mearsheimer.
The intelligent thing for The Lobby to do would have been to ignore her
comments, but no. An all-party group of Lords accused Tonge of
"evok[ing] a classic anti-Jewish conspiracy theory" that was
symptomatic of the rise of anti-Semitism in the U.K.
The knee-jerk recklessness of this charge is obvious, and served only
prove Tonge's thesis that The Lobby manipulates British politics. As
Tonge rightly said in her defence: "[My comments] were about the
Israeli lobby in politics. They were a big distance from being about
Jewishness or anti-Semitism."
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour also paid the price
for speaking honestly about the cause of suffering in Palestine. On
Nov. 29, 2006, she visited the Gaza Strip in the wake of Israel's
massacre of Beit Hanoun and charged Israel with committing massive
"The human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory is
grave and worsening, within a general climate of impunity. Overall I
was struck throughout my visit by the sense of vulnerability and
abandonment that was expressed to me by virtually all the civilians
that I met, both in Israel and in the occupied Palestinian
territories."*
It's hard to argue with first-hand evidence, but that didn't stop
B'nai Brith Canada's Vice President Frank Dimant from shooting his
mouth off, and shooting The Lobby in the foot:"[This was] yet another
attempt by the UN body to delegitimize the Jewish state."
Note the implication in this statement. Dimant has directly equated
Israel's legitimacy with the commission of atrocities!
However self-destructive the Lobby's tactics have been in these three
cases, they cannot match the hysterical depravity that has greeted
Jimmy Carter because of his new book Palestine-Peace not Apartheid.
First, here's how Carter describes his book: "The ultimate purpose
of my book is to present facts about the Middle East that are largely
unknown in the U.S., to precipitate discussion and to help restart
peace talks that can lead to permanent peace for Israel and its
neighbours. Another hope is that Jews and other Americans who share
this goal might be motivated to express their views, even publicly, and
perhaps in concert...."
He goes on to say: "The book describes the abominable oppression and
persecution in the occupied Palestinian territories with a rigid system
of required passes and strict segregation between Palestine's
citizens and Jewish settlers in the West Bank.... In many ways, this is
more oppressive than what blacks lived under in South Africa during
apartheid. I have made it clear that the motivation is not racism but
the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize choice
sites in Palestine, and then to forcefully suppress any objections from
the displaced citizens.
Carter's compassion is genuine and the facts of Israeli apartheid are
beyond doubt. Even neo-Nazi Avigdor Lieberman said Arabs and Jews
cannot live together and that all Palestinians have to be removed. Yet
The Lobby has seen to it that Carter has been marginalized and his
"I have seen few news stories in major newspapers about what I have
written. Book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly
by representatives of Jewish organizations who would be unlikely to
visit the occupied territories, and their primary criticism is that the
book is anti-Israel."
The most ignorant and incompetent of these came from David Horowitz,
who writes for a right-wing website. He saw fit to libel Carter as a
Jew-hater, genocide enabler and a liar. Throughout his tirade, Horowitz
collectively libeled Palestinians as racists and Jew haters, but saw
nothing wrong with condemning Carter for having committed a "blood
libel" on Jews.
Horowitz's screed defies analysis because it is devoid of intellect.
It is so brazenly, even proudly, dishonest that destroys his own
credibility and ennobles Carter. Horowitz actually said: "[It] is a
preposterous lie to say that the Palestinians had their own land and
that it was occupied by the Jews," as if he thought nobody had read
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you
because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not
exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the
place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in
the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal
al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab population."
Despite the libels and misrepresentations, Carter has reported brisk
sales of his book, selling 1,000 copies at each of five appearances,
which means that The Lobby has screeched itself into absurdity trying
to prop up an empire that has no legitimacy and no future.
I can understand The Lobby wanting to censor uncomfortable truths-the
Church has been doing it for centuries-but to sink to abject
dishonesty and character assassination, in the absence of anything
else, cannot possibly help it manufacture consent for Israel.
Intellectual bankruptcy and panic have overtaken The Lobby, and the
zionist empire is not long for this world. It is not worth saving.
aubiskandr
2006-12-25 21:51:58 UTC
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Still a Zew in search of a brain, eh, Shelly?
Still suckling at the teat of Holocaust myths and zionist defamation?
I'm surprised you didn't see yourself among the shrieking zionist shits
I despicted in my column.
Nobody cares what you think.

I suggest you order "The Host and the Parasite-How Israel's Fifth
Column Consumed America" from Dandelion books (www.dandelionbooks.net)

You might actually learn something, though I doubt it.
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
What brings you back here, Fool-ton? Did someone finally explain to you
that more people read your opinions in the newsgroup than in the
Canadian Arab News? Or are you so used to pain from having your assed
kicked that you simply can't live without it?
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Post by o***@yahoo.com
Israel's thugs sink deeper into the cesspit of defamation, denigration
and denial
by Greg Felton
(Friday December 22 2006)
Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good!
An empire in its death throes is not a pretty sight. The more
desperately its rulers cling to power in the face of impending defeat,
the more they hasten its demise. The more its rulers fight to preserve
their rule, the more the empire is sacrificed to serve selfish,
repressive wants.
By the time Odoacer entered Rome and became the first Germanic king of
Italy in 476, the Roman Empire had long since self-destructed. It had
become exhausted and consumed by repression, bigotry, murder, and class
warfare. When "barbarians" invaded the people had neither the
strength nor the inclination to defend Rome.
One of the worst consequences of imperial desperation was the renewal
of the state's "war on heresy" in 407. Dissent was declared to be
a public crime, for pagans as well as Christians, because any hint of
religious or intellectual freedom was a threat to the authority and
power base of the Church and emperor. Thus the empire descended into
terrorism, the price for which was social cohesion and loyalty to the
empire.
As Michael Grant wrote in The Fall of The Roman Empire: "This active
systematic intolerance was something hitherto unknown in the
Mediterranean world. It reflected the growth of dogma, which in turn
reflected a decline in rational intellectual activity."
Such systematic intolerance is evident again in the Mediterranean world
as the zionist empire goes through its own death throes. The virtuous,
sympathetic illusions that have traditionally sustained Israel in the
Western mind are no longer defensible. Despite the servility of North
America's press and governments, the truth of Israeli atrocities is
gaining a wider and wider audience.
Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good! This modern "war on heresy" applies to Jews and non-Jews
alike.
On Oct. 4, 2006, New York University historian Tony Judt, who is
Jewish, was due to give a talk at the Polish consulate on the stifling
effect of the Israel Lobby, yet the American Jewish Congress and the
Anti-Defamation League -Arab Defamation League would be more
accurate-forced the consulate to rescind the invitation.
This censoring of Judtwas gratuitous because the substance of his talk,
the previously published essay "The Israel Lobby" by American
academics Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, was already in the public
domain. Not satisfied with sabotaging the event, though, The Lobby's
David Frum felt the need to smear Judt for pursuing "genocide
liberalism"-like "anti-Semitism," a nonsense term of abuse.
A similar fate befell Baroness Jennifer Tonge, a Liberal Democrat in
Great Britain's House of Lords. Speaking at Edinburgh University, she
remarked: "The pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the western
world, its financial grips. I think they've probably got a grip on
our party."
Like Judt, she deemed her remarks unremarkable because they had already
been made by Walt and Mearsheimer.
The intelligent thing for The Lobby to do would have been to ignore her
comments, but no. An all-party group of Lords accused Tonge of
"evok[ing] a classic anti-Jewish conspiracy theory" that was
symptomatic of the rise of anti-Semitism in the U.K.
The knee-jerk recklessness of this charge is obvious, and served only
prove Tonge's thesis that The Lobby manipulates British politics. As
Tonge rightly said in her defence: "[My comments] were about the
Israeli lobby in politics. They were a big distance from being about
Jewishness or anti-Semitism."
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour also paid the price
for speaking honestly about the cause of suffering in Palestine. On
Nov. 29, 2006, she visited the Gaza Strip in the wake of Israel's
massacre of Beit Hanoun and charged Israel with committing massive
"The human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory is
grave and worsening, within a general climate of impunity. Overall I
was struck throughout my visit by the sense of vulnerability and
abandonment that was expressed to me by virtually all the civilians
that I met, both in Israel and in the occupied Palestinian
territories."*
It's hard to argue with first-hand evidence, but that didn't stop
B'nai Brith Canada's Vice President Frank Dimant from shooting his
mouth off, and shooting The Lobby in the foot:"[This was] yet another
attempt by the UN body to delegitimize the Jewish state."
Note the implication in this statement. Dimant has directly equated
Israel's legitimacy with the commission of atrocities!
However self-destructive the Lobby's tactics have been in these three
cases, they cannot match the hysterical depravity that has greeted
Jimmy Carter because of his new book Palestine-Peace not Apartheid.
First, here's how Carter describes his book: "The ultimate purpose
of my book is to present facts about the Middle East that are largely
unknown in the U.S., to precipitate discussion and to help restart
peace talks that can lead to permanent peace for Israel and its
neighbours. Another hope is that Jews and other Americans who share
this goal might be motivated to express their views, even publicly, and
perhaps in concert...."
He goes on to say: "The book describes the abominable oppression and
persecution in the occupied Palestinian territories with a rigid system
of required passes and strict segregation between Palestine's
citizens and Jewish settlers in the West Bank.... In many ways, this is
more oppressive than what blacks lived under in South Africa during
apartheid. I have made it clear that the motivation is not racism but
the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize choice
sites in Palestine, and then to forcefully suppress any objections from
the displaced citizens.
Carter's compassion is genuine and the facts of Israeli apartheid are
beyond doubt. Even neo-Nazi Avigdor Lieberman said Arabs and Jews
cannot live together and that all Palestinians have to be removed. Yet
The Lobby has seen to it that Carter has been marginalized and his
"I have seen few news stories in major newspapers about what I have
written. Book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly
by representatives of Jewish organizations who would be unlikely to
visit the occupied territories, and their primary criticism is that the
book is anti-Israel."
The most ignorant and incompetent of these came from David Horowitz,
who writes for a right-wing website. He saw fit to libel Carter as a
Jew-hater, genocide enabler and a liar. Throughout his tirade, Horowitz
collectively libeled Palestinians as racists and Jew haters, but saw
nothing wrong with condemning Carter for having committed a "blood
libel" on Jews.
Horowitz's screed defies analysis because it is devoid of intellect.
It is so brazenly, even proudly, dishonest that destroys his own
credibility and ennobles Carter. Horowitz actually said: "[It] is a
preposterous lie to say that the Palestinians had their own land and
that it was occupied by the Jews," as if he thought nobody had read
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you
because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not
exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the
place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in
the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal
al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab population."
Despite the libels and misrepresentations, Carter has reported brisk
sales of his book, selling 1,000 copies at each of five appearances,
which means that The Lobby has screeched itself into absurdity trying
to prop up an empire that has no legitimacy and no future.
I can understand The Lobby wanting to censor uncomfortable truths-the
Church has been doing it for centuries-but to sink to abject
dishonesty and character assassination, in the absence of anything
else, cannot possibly help it manufacture consent for Israel.
Intellectual bankruptcy and panic have overtaken The Lobby, and the
zionist empire is not long for this world. It is not worth saving.
Sheldon Liberman
2006-12-25 22:32:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by aubiskandr
Still a Zew in search of a brain, eh, Shelly?
Well, if so, I won't have any luck around you, imbecile.
Post by aubiskandr
Still suckling at the teat of Holocaust myths and zionist defamation?
I'm surprised you didn't see yourself among the shrieking zionist shits
I despicted in my column.
Nobody cares what you think.
Actually, people pay me for what I think. And I didn't see myself in
your column because I haven't been in need of any laughs lately, so I
haven't read your latest nonsense.
Post by aubiskandr
I suggest you order "The Host and the Parasite-How Israel's Fifth
Column Consumed America" from Dandelion books (www.dandelionbooks.net)
What, and double your circulation? Hardly.
Post by aubiskandr
You might actually learn something, though I doubt it.
The only thing one can possibly learn from your pile of horse manure is
how hateful people of your lineage can be. But since that concept is
already firmly entrenched in the mindset of any thinking being, *I*
doubt it.
Post by aubiskandr
Post by Sheldon Liberman
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny. At least Muslim governments
respect minority rights.
Even a thug like Chaim Weizmannn said so.
What brings you back here, Fool-ton? Did someone finally explain to you
that more people read your opinions in the newsgroup than in the
Canadian Arab News? Or are you so used to pain from having your assed
kicked that you simply can't live without it?
Post by aubiskandr
Post by zr
If living in peace in Israel is the throes of its own destruction, any sane
person would opt for Israel over Muslim tyranny.
Post by o***@yahoo.com
Israel's thugs sink deeper into the cesspit of defamation, denigration
and denial
by Greg Felton
(Friday December 22 2006)
Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good!
An empire in its death throes is not a pretty sight. The more
desperately its rulers cling to power in the face of impending defeat,
the more they hasten its demise. The more its rulers fight to preserve
their rule, the more the empire is sacrificed to serve selfish,
repressive wants.
By the time Odoacer entered Rome and became the first Germanic king of
Italy in 476, the Roman Empire had long since self-destructed. It had
become exhausted and consumed by repression, bigotry, murder, and class
warfare. When "barbarians" invaded the people had neither the
strength nor the inclination to defend Rome.
One of the worst consequences of imperial desperation was the renewal
of the state's "war on heresy" in 407. Dissent was declared to be
a public crime, for pagans as well as Christians, because any hint of
religious or intellectual freedom was a threat to the authority and
power base of the Church and emperor. Thus the empire descended into
terrorism, the price for which was social cohesion and loyalty to the
empire.
As Michael Grant wrote in The Fall of The Roman Empire: "This active
systematic intolerance was something hitherto unknown in the
Mediterranean world. It reflected the growth of dogma, which in turn
reflected a decline in rational intellectual activity."
Such systematic intolerance is evident again in the Mediterranean world
as the zionist empire goes through its own death throes. The virtuous,
sympathetic illusions that have traditionally sustained Israel in the
Western mind are no longer defensible. Despite the servility of North
America's press and governments, the truth of Israeli atrocities is
gaining a wider and wider audience.
Logically, the idea of an Jewish supremacist state must be abandoned in
favour of a democratic Palestinian state, but so much Arab blood has
been spilled, so many atrocities committed, and so many political
careers compromised for the sake of the zionist empire, that The Lobby
is resorting to increasingly brazen acts of terrorism and slander to
vilify anyone who advocates political reform, even for Israel's own
good! This modern "war on heresy" applies to Jews and non-Jews
alike.
On Oct. 4, 2006, New York University historian Tony Judt, who is
Jewish, was due to give a talk at the Polish consulate on the stifling
effect of the Israel Lobby, yet the American Jewish Congress and the
Anti-Defamation League -Arab Defamation League would be more
accurate-forced the consulate to rescind the invitation.
This censoring of Judtwas gratuitous because the substance of his talk,
the previously published essay "The Israel Lobby" by American
academics Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, was already in the public
domain. Not satisfied with sabotaging the event, though, The Lobby's
David Frum felt the need to smear Judt for pursuing "genocide
liberalism"-like "anti-Semitism," a nonsense term of abuse.
A similar fate befell Baroness Jennifer Tonge, a Liberal Democrat in
Great Britain's House of Lords. Speaking at Edinburgh University, she
remarked: "The pro-Israeli lobby has got its grips on the western
world, its financial grips. I think they've probably got a grip on
our party."
Like Judt, she deemed her remarks unremarkable because they had already
been made by Walt and Mearsheimer.
The intelligent thing for The Lobby to do would have been to ignore her
comments, but no. An all-party group of Lords accused Tonge of
"evok[ing] a classic anti-Jewish conspiracy theory" that was
symptomatic of the rise of anti-Semitism in the U.K.
The knee-jerk recklessness of this charge is obvious, and served only
prove Tonge's thesis that The Lobby manipulates British politics. As
Tonge rightly said in her defence: "[My comments] were about the
Israeli lobby in politics. They were a big distance from being about
Jewishness or anti-Semitism."
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour also paid the price
for speaking honestly about the cause of suffering in Palestine. On
Nov. 29, 2006, she visited the Gaza Strip in the wake of Israel's
massacre of Beit Hanoun and charged Israel with committing massive
"The human rights situation in the occupied Palestinian territory is
grave and worsening, within a general climate of impunity. Overall I
was struck throughout my visit by the sense of vulnerability and
abandonment that was expressed to me by virtually all the civilians
that I met, both in Israel and in the occupied Palestinian
territories."*
It's hard to argue with first-hand evidence, but that didn't stop
B'nai Brith Canada's Vice President Frank Dimant from shooting his
mouth off, and shooting The Lobby in the foot:"[This was] yet another
attempt by the UN body to delegitimize the Jewish state."
Note the implication in this statement. Dimant has directly equated
Israel's legitimacy with the commission of atrocities!
However self-destructive the Lobby's tactics have been in these three
cases, they cannot match the hysterical depravity that has greeted
Jimmy Carter because of his new book Palestine-Peace not Apartheid.
First, here's how Carter describes his book: "The ultimate purpose
of my book is to present facts about the Middle East that are largely
unknown in the U.S., to precipitate discussion and to help restart
peace talks that can lead to permanent peace for Israel and its
neighbours. Another hope is that Jews and other Americans who share
this goal might be motivated to express their views, even publicly, and
perhaps in concert...."
He goes on to say: "The book describes the abominable oppression and
persecution in the occupied Palestinian territories with a rigid system
of required passes and strict segregation between Palestine's
citizens and Jewish settlers in the West Bank.... In many ways, this is
more oppressive than what blacks lived under in South Africa during
apartheid. I have made it clear that the motivation is not racism but
the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize choice
sites in Palestine, and then to forcefully suppress any objections from
the displaced citizens.
Carter's compassion is genuine and the facts of Israeli apartheid are
beyond doubt. Even neo-Nazi Avigdor Lieberman said Arabs and Jews
cannot live together and that all Palestinians have to be removed. Yet
The Lobby has seen to it that Carter has been marginalized and his
"I have seen few news stories in major newspapers about what I have
written. Book reviews in the mainstream media have been written mostly
by representatives of Jewish organizations who would be unlikely to
visit the occupied territories, and their primary criticism is that the
book is anti-Israel."
The most ignorant and incompetent of these came from David Horowitz,
who writes for a right-wing website. He saw fit to libel Carter as a
Jew-hater, genocide enabler and a liar. Throughout his tirade, Horowitz
collectively libeled Palestinians as racists and Jew haters, but saw
nothing wrong with condemning Carter for having committed a "blood
libel" on Jews.
Horowitz's screed defies analysis because it is devoid of intellect.
It is so brazenly, even proudly, dishonest that destroys his own
credibility and ennobles Carter. Horowitz actually said: "[It] is a
preposterous lie to say that the Palestinians had their own land and
that it was occupied by the Jews," as if he thought nobody had read
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you
because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not
exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the
place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in
the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of Tal
al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab population."
Despite the libels and misrepresentations, Carter has reported brisk
sales of his book, selling 1,000 copies at each of five appearances,
which means that The Lobby has screeched itself into absurdity trying
to prop up an empire that has no legitimacy and no future.
I can understand The Lobby wanting to censor uncomfortable truths-the
Church has been doing it for centuries-but to sink to abject
dishonesty and character assassination, in the absence of anything
else, cannot possibly help it manufacture consent for Israel.
Intellectual bankruptcy and panic have overtaken The Lobby, and the
zionist empire is not long for this world. It is not worth saving.
f***@verizon.net
2007-01-02 07:05:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny.
As always, bigots project.
Butit's nice that this proven liar is showing his true colors at last.
But, do stay killfiled, loser.

Susan
Ben Cramer
2007-01-02 07:16:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny.
As always, bigots project.
Butit's nice that this proven liar is showing his true colors at last.
But, do stay killfiled, loser.
How the fuck did you manage to read it if he's killfiled, you thick Irish
cunt?
Ben Cramer
2007-01-02 09:39:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by f***@verizon.net
Post by aubiskandr
Peace?? Israel?? What sort of narcotic are you on?
Better Muslim rule than Jewish tyranny.
As always, bigots project.
Butit's nice that this proven liar is showing his true colors at last.
But, do stay killfiled, loser.
Susan
\
What the fuck is a "Butit's", you dyslexic, thick Irish cunt?

Salah Jafar
2006-12-23 18:46:49 UTC
Permalink
No they just bulldoze them

SJ
torresD
2006-12-23 19:18:30 UTC
Permalink
"jgarbuz"

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
In his Book

"Stalin: Court of the Red Star",
Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore
writes that during the darkest
period of terror,

when the Communist killing
machine worked in full force,
Stalin was surrounded by
beautiful, young Jewish women.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html
Stalin's Jews

We mustn't forget that some
of greatest murderers of
modern times were Jewish

Published: 12.21.06, 23:35

Here's a particularly forlorn historical date:

Almost 90 years ago,
between the 19th and 20th of December 1917,
in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution
and civil war,

Lenin signed a decree calling
for the establishment of The
All-Russian Extraordinary Commission
for Combating Counter-Revolution and
Sabotage, also known as Cheka.


Within a short period of time,
Cheka became the largest and
cruelest state security
organization.

Its organizational structure
was changed every few years,
as were its names:

From Cheka to GPU,
later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

We cannot know with certainty
the number of deaths Cheka was
responsible for in its various
manifestations,

but the number is surely
at least 20 million,
including victims of
the forced collectivization,
the hunger, large purges,
expulsions, banishments,
executions, and mass death at Gulags.

Whole population
strata were eliminated:

Independent farmers,
ethnic minorities,
members of the bourgeoisie,
senior officers, intellectuals,
artists, labor movement activists,

"opposition members" who were
defined completely randomly,
and countless members of the
Communist party itself.


In his new, highly praised book
"The War of the World,
"Historian Niall Ferguson
writes that no revolution
in the history of mankind
devoured its children with
the same unrestrained appetite
as did the Soviet revolution.

In his book on the Stalinist purges,
Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin
writes that Stalinist violence was
unique in that it was directed internally.

Lenin, Stalin, and their successors
could not have carried out their
deeds without wide-scale cooperation
of disciplined "terror officials,"
cruel interrogators, snitches,
executioners, guards, judges,
perverts, and many bleeding
hearts who were members of
the progressive Western Left
and were deceived by the Soviet
regime of horror and even
provided it with a kosher
certificate.

All these things are well-known
to some extent or another,
even though the former Soviet
Union's archives have not yet
been fully opened to the public.

But who knows about this?

Within Russia itself,
very few people have been
brought to justice for their
crimes in the NKVD's and
KGB's service.

The Russian public discourse
today completely ignores the
question of

"How could it have happened to us?"

As opposed to Eastern European nations,
the Russians did not settle the score
with their Stalinist past.

And us, the Jews?

An Israeli student finishes high
school without ever hearing the name
"Genrikh Yagoda,"

the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century,
the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and
commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently
implemented Stalin's collectivization orders
and is responsible for the deaths of at
least 10 million people.

His Jewish deputies established
and managed the Gulag system.

After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably,
Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was
replaced as chief hangman in 1936
by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."

Yezhov was not Jewish but was
blessed with an active Jewish wife.

In his Book

"Stalin: Court of the Red Star",
Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore
writes that during the darkest
period of terror,

when the Communist killing
machine worked in full force,
Stalin was surrounded by
beautiful, young Jewish women.

Stalin's close associates
and loyalists included member
of the Central Committee and
Politburo Lazar Kaganovich.

Montefiore characterizes him
as the "first Stalinist" and
adds that those starving to
death in Ukraine,

an unparalleled tragedy in
the history of human kind
aside from the Nazi horrors
and Mao's terror in China,
did not move Kaganovich.

Many Jews sold their soul
to the devil of the Communist
revolution and have blood on
their hands for eternity.

We'll mention just one more:

Leonid Reichman, head of the
NKVD's special department and
the organization's chief interrogator,
who was a particularly cruel sadist.


In 1934,
according to published statistics,
38.5 percent of those holding the
most senior posts in the Soviet
security apparatuses were of
Jewish origin.

They too, of course,
were gradually eliminated
in the next purges.

In a fascinating lecture at
a Tel Aviv University convention
this week,

Dr. Halfin described the
waves of soviet terror as a

"carnival of mass murder,"
"fantasy of purges", and
"essianism of evil."

Turns out that Jews too,
when they become captivated
by messianic ideology,
can become great murderers,
among the greatest known by
modern history.



The Jews active in official
communist terror apparatuses
(In the Soviet Union and abroad)
and who at times led them,
did not do this, obviously,
as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists,
communists, and "Soviet people."

Therefore,
we find it easy to ignore
their origin and "play dumb":

What do we have to do with them?

But let's not forget them.

My own view is different.

I find it unacceptable that
a person will be considered
a member of the Jewish people
when he does great things,
but not considered part of
our people when he does
amazingly despicable things.

Even if we deny it,
we cannot escape the
Jewishness of "our hangmen,"
who served the Red Terror
with loyalty and dedication
from its establishment.

After all,
others will always
remind us of their origin.
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